HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: OK With the Calder Finalists?

HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: OK With the Calder Finalists?
- Travis.Yost

awww ya totes. totes.

absolutely not

I'd have put Brodin and Yakupov in there ahead of Gallagher and Saad.

Especially can't understand why Saad gets the nod, putting up less points than most while playing tons of minutes with some of the game's best playmakers.

I actually would have went Huberdeau, Brodin and Yak

Rookie who contributed to a successful team > rookie who contributed to a terrible team.


Every time.

Gallagher, Huberdeau and Brodin.

Gallagher, Huberdeau and Brodin.
- Nucker101

Why Huberdeau over Yakupov? Both teams failed, and Yakupov outscored Huberdeau.

Not only did that hat trick put Yak at the top, but it destroyed the Nucks confidence going into the playoffs

Why Huberdeau over Yakupov? Both teams failed, and Yakupov outscored Huberdeau.
- jtommyt

Points were even and both showed good goal scoring abililty, and from what I saw of Huberdeau he has that ability to make his linemates better and I didn't see that as much from Yakupov who will very likely end up scoring more goals in his career. Both great young players, likely future top line players so you can't really go wrong either way.

Not only did that hat trick put Yak at the top, but it destroyed the Nucks confidence going into the playoffs
- Lahey

Why Huberdeau over Yakupov? Both teams failed, and Yakupov outscored Huberdeau.
- jtommyt

I think since Huberdeau led in goals/point totals for most of the year and Yakapov only surpassing him due to his late season outburst is the reason why Huberdeau was nominated.

I think the nominations would be more accurate if Toews should replaced Saad.

HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: OK With the Calder Finalists?
- Travis.Yost

Very confusing leaving Brodin and Yakupov off.

Terrible, the only player on that list that should be there is Huberdeau.

Huberdeau, Yak, brodin should be the finalists.

I think they chose the right finalists. The 3 finalists were the 3 most consistently effective rookies all season.

I think it can be difficult to quantify defensive play for this award vs point scorers and a vast majority of fans don't know how to tell when a player is defensively good or not. Goal Scorers are more "sexy".

Yak was very hot and cold throughout the season and he was highly overshadowed by all of the other talent on the oilers where a player like herbs stood out with all of the injuries on the team playing with less around him.

The other 2 rookies played a significant part in their teams winning record.

All in all, its hard to feel bad for any of these teams with these stellar young players on their roster.

Yak was very hot and cold throughout the season and he was highly overshadowed by all of the other talent on the oilers where a player like herbs stood out with all of the injuries on the team playing with less around him.

The other 2 rookies played a significant part in their teams winning record.

All in all, its hard to feel bad for any of these teams with these stellar young players on their roster.
- Meeqsb

I wouldn't really say he was hot and cold. It was more the coaching staff putting him in a lessor role so he could learn two-way hockey and get rid of the bad habits he picked up in the KHL.

Everytime he was put in a position to succeed he stepped up. He was one of two guys that played 110% all year on the Oilers.

The Hawks' marketing and broadcasting teams have pumped Saad like nobody's business, and for along time while he wasn't really producing crap. He's going to be a nice player in the league for a long time but I tend to agree with a lot of the posters above.

I just think no rookie really stood out this year. I was really hoping the best for Tarasenko but I would give it to Gallagher because of what he helped his team accomplish.

Saad played with Toews and Hossa so you'd have to think that would hurt his value a bit.

Hurbs wouldn't be a bad recipient due to his #3 overall status nor would giving it to a player in a canadian market

I think since Huberdeau led in goals/point totals for most of the year and Yakapov only surpassing him due to his late season outburst is the reason why Huberdeau was nominated.
- greekdude4567

Yeah because yak played third line with our worst player, Smyth and a changing AHL center for half the season. He got more ice time at the end on the second line and thus scored more. Hub got first line minutes and PP time. Yak also had a great defensive game.

I think players like Hub and Yak that lead the league despite being on poor lines or on last place teams prove themselves way more than players who play on top lines with top players of the presidents trophy winning team or play second line minutes with top players on the second place team in their conference.

I am okay with Hub winning over Yak but when a guy gets the most goals and the most points on a team that has one of the worst goals for, playing mostly on the third line, with limited PP time deserves a nomination.

However the awards are rigged anyways. Hub got thrown a bone himself. The reporters voting serve their own interests by picking eastern based teams. Most of the votes come out of Toronto and New York. They aren't going to attract any attention by voting for a russian kid from Edmonton.

I'm ok with these finalist.

The 3 finalists were the 3 most consistently effective rookies all season.

Yak was very hot and cold throughout the season.

Rookie who contributed to a successful team > rookie who contributed to a terrible team.

Yeah because yak played third line with our worst player, Smyth and a changing AHL center for half the season. He got more ice time at the end on the second line and thus scored more. Hub got first line minutes and PP time. Yak also had a great defensive game.

I think players like Hub and Yak that lead the league despite being on poor lines or on last place teams prove themselves way more than players who play on top lines with top players of the presidents trophy winning team or play second line minutes with top players on the second place team in their conference.

I am okay with Hub winning over Yak but when a guy gets the most goals and the most points on a team that has one of the worst goals for, playing mostly on the third line, with limited PP time deserves a nomination.

However the awards are rigged anyways. Hub got thrown a bone himself. The reporters voting serve their own interests by picking eastern based teams. Most of the votes come out of Toronto and New York. They aren't going to attract any attention by voting for a russian kid from Edmonton.
- bsteinley

He played with gagner/prv and gagner/hemsky far more than any other combination.
If that's bad linemates, then we're effed forever!

And who cares really? He did struggle for stretches in the middle. But u could see him figuring out the pro game in that last month.
He's gonna be a force for a long time

All everyone here seems to consider is points....which isn't bad, if that is what hockey is all about....let's look into the stats further....particularly +/-....

Yak is -4, which is comparable with the avg of his teammates
Schultz is -17 which is well below avg of his teammates
Hub is -15 which is slightly below avg than his teammates
Brodin is +3 which is on par with his teammates
Saad is +17 which is slightly sub par compared to his teammates
Gallagher is +10 which is slightly above par with his teammates.

Taking a look at the stats I believe that the rooks that made a positive contribution were Yak, Brodin, Saad, and Gallagher.

Schultz and Hub, due to their poor +/- should have been excluded...although Hub did have the most points....I'm not necessarily speaking about the poor plus minus, but compared to other teammates their +/- was poor.

Due to Yak's inconsistency, he should be excluded as well....not bringin' it every night is a negative factor for me.

That leaves Brodin, Gallagher and Saad as my Calder trophy finalists.

HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: OK With the Calder Finalists?
- Travis.Yost

but how do you compare the value of a Ds minutes vs the value of a forwards point totals?

there's no real way to compare that, so you'd need a Calder for the D and a Calder for the Offense

personally i would have given the nod to Brodin over Saad, but then again if you do that and the argument is that Saad has incredible elite linemates, doesnt the same apply to Brodin with Suter?

meh